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OSDD is a strange-sounding diagnosis and seen by many as a 'not yet' or 'not quite' version of dissociative identity disorder. This article explores the differences between the two diagnoses and whether that difference matters or is arbitrary.
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 8/31/2021 11:20 PM
i wish you were more constructive in the conversations because you do have a lot of good things to say but you are pushing people away
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I am aware of my inflections and use them purposefully
11:21 PM
It's not a popularity contest you know
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something something irony
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So you just want to shut the people up by intimidating them? Or what?
11:38 PM
Sure it’s not a popularity contest, but it’s also not wrestling
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something something mirror
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Popcorn munch
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The one time JGC sounded like me, creepy
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JGC
If this is how it worked, there would be books, papers, workbooks, therapist's articles, talking all about how to help the OSDD-2 survivors of torture where are all the prisoners of war with OSDD-2? Where are all the religious captives and forced war brides with OSDD-2? Where is it in academia, in medical circles? It's not there, it's in the mommyblogs of DIDtube and the modernday echo of the Satanic Panic
The normal response to trauma is PTSD. The OSDD response requires attempting to dissociate from the trauma, which is not common, but something people can do. DID is usually considered a developmental disorder caused by childhood trauma. OSDD does not require you to have ever shown any signs of dissociative behaviour ever before in your life. What you're saying is essentially that OSDD must just be undiagosed DID because it's a stranger and rarer response, but that's irrelevant. I actually think the two things are entirely the same thing as a practice for how they begin...but DID likely causes developmental changes because it's done so early, affecting overall suggestibility and the like, whereas OSDD seems to cause lighter effects and I don't think I've seen much suggesting they have long-term brain changes. What people with OSDD or DID do to themselves has always been theorized to be what essentially tulpamancers do, but in a different context: "This is not happening to me." - And without this mindset you just have PTSD. (edited)
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I mean in the theory of structural dissociation, PTSD is one of the things with other dissociated parts. 👀
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"Just" in this case meaning you would normally have both. (edited)
3:13 PM
PTSD still happens, it doesn't go away if you dissociate from it. It just compartmentalizes it. (edited)
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Aye But it's not a common response for people to dissociate from trauma?
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Identity dissociation might not be that common form of dissociation. There are many forms of dissociation.
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I don't believe so? We have certain chemical responses to pain that numb it if we are anticipating pain; But that's not the same thing as identity dissociation. Adrenaline actually causes heightened awareness. (edited)
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And yeah, it's still not the only possible answer to trauma.
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Kanade
Identity dissociation might not be that common form of dissociation. There are many forms of dissociation.
Ahhh, yeah, probably not that kind. I'm think more like the "just going blank/'not existing' " type
3:20 PM
As in there is nobody home type
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There's no going blank in trauma unless you've went into shock, as far as I am aware. The PTSD-trauma-response is numbing in the derealization/depersonalization way but it's also heightening, confusing, and physically agitating. It's fundamentally an alert state.
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Deleted User 9/1/2021 3:22 PM
Some people just endure and suffer. We did that for most of our childhood. Then we learned dissociation after getting into tulpamancy.
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Like what I mean is, "it's not happening to me, but it's not happening to anyone else either, it's happening to the body", there is no processing, no thought, no anything, during
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Yes, I think it would be a stretch to say you're doing anything meaningful with your identity in an in-the-moment trauma response. And the there's definitely an aspect of dissociation in terms of distance from what is happening to you. The descriptions of it read like the worst possible Zen experience you can have in a way.
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Sounds about accurate. 😆
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It's also notable that DID and OSDD do not arise from individual sudden trauma. As far as I'm aware both require sustained trauma, something that you need to actually rationalize in some way.
3:34 PM
And that just doesn't happen in the moment.
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Zen
It's also notable that DID and OSDD do not arise from individual sudden trauma. As far as I'm aware both require sustained trauma, something that you need to actually rationalize in some way.
Deleted User 9/3/2021 10:41 AM
In to the context of what you are talking about DID and OSDD, you might also consider Complex PTSD which also results from repeated trauma and one of the symptoms is dissociation (edited)
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Deleted User 9/3/2021 10:53 AM
if i remember correctly, the difference between C-PTSD and did is that did is made of multiple Apparently Normal Parts (alters) and multiple Emotional Parts, while C-PTSD consists of one ANP and multiple EPs
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Just to note, I’ve seen some in the DID community who have serious critiques of the theory of structural dissociation, the source that extends the ANP/EP terminology to plural systems.
4:18 PM
Those are the two I’ve read!
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I read the first article, I haven’t read the Haunted Self, and as a person with DID who has been treated for 2 years I disagree with the sentiment of this article. I used to have multiple alters with strong feeling of individuality, separateness, will to stay that way and very strong amnesia barriers. As it is forced in DID community, I thought I would never want to integrate and my doctor has never even brought up the idea. From my experience integration happens naturally with processing trauma, and integration allows even more healing. It’s becoming a positive loop. The author of the article mentioned “parts of the personality” as if it was pejorative, but I agree with that expression. Different alters are not fully developed persons in a sense that a singlet would be.I only see it after integrating and only now I appreciate what it means to be a complex human being. I’m spending a lot of focus trying to keep the integration because it’s not always stable, and I would probably never want to go back. I feel more whole and happier, my amnesia barriers are almost gone and it gives me much more tools to do trauma work on a level that wasn’t possible before (edited)
5:16 PM
My healing journey is far from finished, but I can see that without integration there is a limit to how much you can heal. “Thanks” to the community’s sentiment to dismiss integration, people are only being slowed down with their healing. Of course noone can force anyone to it - it would be counterproductive - but if integration is out of the picture, you can only heal to a point and you will always need to rely on dissociation rather than healthier ways to cope (edited)
5:17 PM
People spreading opinion that integration is not necessary to getting better are doing a lot harm to people’s treatment in my opinion and I often think how much time of therapy I wasted because of believing the same. (edited)
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I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that I started getting much better after leaving the community
5:27 PM
In my opinion saying that people with DID it’s ok to not wanting to integrate to get better is like telling an alcoholic it’s ok if they don’t want to stop drinking (edited)
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I hope you aren't overreacting in another way now and rushing it on yourself. I can't help but fear you do as I see how much you are underlining integration's importance lately. I could be biased myself of course.
5:28 PM
Also, for alcoholics stopping to drink too suddenly can backfire too.
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I’m definitely not rushing, it’s a slow process far from finished
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What is your end goal of your integration?
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I’m not sure, I’m trusting the process
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That's not what I expected to hear, honestly.
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That’s fair, and I’m glad that your journey is going well! 😀
6:09 PM
I don’t have DID, so certainly am not trying to speak from a place of authority or anything like that. But I do think people with DID have a lot of different experiences, and it seems reasonable to me “from the outside” that some could heal the disorder without integrating.
6:10 PM
I can’t claim to understand how it feels to have the disorder or heal from it though, of course. 😂
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It's hard for me to grasp it either. But I guess if proxi experiences memory barriers much less, it means it's helping him for now. I am curious what else he wants to achieve.
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I think I tentatively agree with proxi. How do you truly and completely heal when in the context of DID the split is the wound? Personalities can change to be functional but that's not the same thing as healing. I wonder purely hypothetically if someone recovered from DID could healthily make a tulpa with no unwanted dissociation or whether it would intrinsically cause negative dissociation.
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Would probably be more likely to anyway
9:00 PM
But also integration is not necessarily fusion, right? So would an integrated but not fused DID system be roughly in the same spot as the bulk of tulpamancy systems?
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But also integration is not necessarily fusion, right? So would an integrated but not fused DID system be roughly in the same spot as the bulk of tulpamancy systems?
Deleted User 9/21/2021 9:22 PM
yes, when I say I'm integrated I don't mean fused
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Deleted User 9/25/2021 8:03 PM
Monthly reminder
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berockly (TTG) 9/25/2021 8:48 PM
Im wheezing
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see this is why you pull an evil Dr. Strange and grind fighting against smaller demons and spiritual creatures before you move on to minor forgotten gods, then middle class pantheons, then you hit the big bois like Allah. and personally I'd not recommend fighting Allah at all because Allah is YHWH and the Christian God so you're basically fighting the most worshiped diety in human history who still has the most worshippers to this day and canonically is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient so there's really no way to fight Him.
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Don't fight Allah on the astral
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just don't fight Him period. you're canonically fighting EVERYTHING OF ALL TIME BEFORE AND AFTER BEGINNING AND END AND EVERYTHING INBETWEEN INFINITE AND ETERNITY and 54.9% of the worlds population of ~8 billion.
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Oh please.
2:40 AM
I have both fought and preached to the egregore that is Allah.
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Unfastened Belts 9/27/2021 5:49 AM
What'd ya preach to him?
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Lula! | 👻 9/27/2021 5:51 AM
Marissa... you know.
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Unfastened Belts 9/27/2021 5:51 AM
The only god who could ever teach me Was the son of Jehovah-man
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Lula! | 👻 9/27/2021 5:51 AM
It's Zen. So probably sin
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Unfastened Belts 9/27/2021 11:42 PM
I messed up once and chose "automatically open links to Discord messages in your browser" where my login information isnt saved, and I cant figure out how to undo this mistake
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default programs/the equivalent in the browser settings?
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Deleted User 10/1/2021 7:49 AM
that's good for them lmfao
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Deleted User 10/1/2021 9:05 AM
Can a Tulpa Astral Project when the host have the skill to do astral projection since they basically have their own consciousness?
9:06 AM
Was wondering if they have the willpower to do that independently...?
9:06 AM
is that a bad thing? lol
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Deleted User 10/1/2021 9:28 AM
I've met people who claimed to send their tulpas to each other via astral plane. And it was pretty immerssive for them.
9:31 AM
If you ignore the fact that tulpa who is getting to you has problems with memory and lack of consistency in testimonies on both sides, it can work. (edited)
9:32 AM
interesting, i'll keep that in mind.
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I've met people who claimed to send their tulpas to each other via astral plane. And it was pretty immerssive for them.
Deleted User 10/1/2021 9:32 AM
were the host visually seeing them astral projecting or both of them went into the astral plane.
9:33 AM
would they kind of like have to recall "What happened" like it feels like a dream to the host?
9:33 AM
I mean, one tulpa moved from her wonderland to wonderland of another host. At least they said it works that way.
9:34 AM
that's strange
9:34 AM
but intriguing.
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I mean, one tulpa moved from her wonderland to wonderland of another host. At least they said it works that way.
Deleted User 10/1/2021 9:35 AM
so do you think if someone doesn't really necessarly want their tulpa....do you think their able to transfer their tulpa before they die to someone else?
9:35 AM
LOL
9:36 AM
One of those people I was talking about claimed to foster a lot of abandoned tulpas.
9:36 AM
So he could foster tulpas of dead people too I guess Thinkdeep
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One of those people I was talking about claimed to foster a lot of abandoned tulpas.
Deleted User 10/1/2021 9:38 AM
but that would be the same as multiplicity?
9:39 AM
What do you mean?
9:40 AM
nevermind, i think i wanted to say something about it but forgot.
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People who grew up in a home with relatively little credible displays of faith are more likely to be atheists, according to new research published in ...
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Deleted User 10/4/2021 7:15 AM
Atheists are just normal people, who would have thought?
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I was an atheist until I realized no one can prove I'm not a real God.
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Breaking news: Being an atheist is caused by lack of indoctrination (edited)
9:42 AM
Four Pathways to Atheism Distinct research trajectories have considered the preconditions for sustained belief in any given god. To currently believe in a god, one (1) must be able to mentally represent gods (Gervais, 2013; Norenzayan et al., 2012; Purzycki & McNamara, 2016; Willard & Norenzayan, 2013), (2) must be dispositionally or situationally motivated to believe in some gods (Kay et al., 2008), (3) must receive credible cultural cues that some gods are real (Gervais & Henrich, 2010; Gervais & Najle, 2015; Lanman & Buhrmester, 2017), and (4) must maintain this intuitive belief over time. Tweaks to any of these four components may instead yield disbelief in gods. Separate lines of research partially support this supposition. First, mindblind atheism describes the pattern whereby individual differences in advanced mentalizing abilities predict religious disbelief (Norenzayan et al., 2012; Willard & Norenzayan, 2013) in at least some samples (Maij et al., 2017). Second, apatheism describes the pattern whereby, although people are highly religiously motivated when life is insecure, unstable, and unpredictable, existential security instead predicts reduced religiosity (Inglehart & Norris, 2004; Kay et al., 2008). Third, inCREDulous atheism describes the pattern whereby a lack of CREDs (Henrich, 2009) that one ought to believe in any gods is a good global predictor of atheism (Gervais & Najle, 2015; Lanman, 2012). Finally, analytic atheism describes the pattern whereby people who reflectively override their intuitions tend to be less religious than those who “go with their guts” (Pennycook et al., 2016; Shenhav et al., 2012), although the magnitude and consistency of this relation are debatable (Gervais et al., 2018).
9:42 AM
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Deleted User 10/4/2021 9:57 AM
Btw, @JGC, you said that a year ago you also were a militant atheist, didn't you? But you also had a Christian tulpa back then?
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It’s interesting because in the quote I pasted, the 4 requirements to believe in a god is a recipe for a tulpa
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I can see some similarities too. Also, for many people believing in God is about having a relationship, not their existence being real?
10:04 AM
As tulpamancers we can just have a relationship with an imaginary friend without making irrational claims about them being responsible for things we don't understand.
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Not militant When I was about 13 I watched a few atheist youtubers but I never liked them that much because of their stances on lgbt stuff. My favorites were The Bible Reloaded (one of them is a trans woman now lol), the armored skeptic, and The Friendly Atheist (he was raised Sikh, which I think was a good perspective/I found refreshing compared to all the "I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC AND SO ALL RELIGION IS THAT"
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why the caps lock
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Because The Angry Atheist
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